21/01/10

development sutra

some more economics: a few weeks old report in the telegraph says that Telangana would require the crown jewel of Hyderabad for economic survival. why?

A source in the Federation of Andhra Pradesh Chamber of Commerce and Industry said Telangana, including Hyderabad, provides nearly 60 per cent of the revenues of the state. “But without Hyderabad, the rest of Telangana accounts for around 22 per cent,” said a bureaucrat.
actually, i think all three regions would require the crown jewel of hyderabad for their survival. even if andhra and rayalaseema stay together or form two new states. why? because the revenue surpluses from hyderabad are financing part of the development plans of those two regions too and if the tap is switched off, they'd face serious financial challenges.

the separatists would object to sharing of any kind, of course. the problem is that many of them think like kcr:
A: See, why should Telangana suffer? And Hyderabad city? We had an airport even in the early days. Even the railway stations in Hyderabad today were constructed by the Nizam - as were the hospitals and educational institutions like Osmania University. Andhra people say we have invested in Hyderabad, and we are the reason behind its growth. I say Hyderabad has been India's 5th largest city for 50 years now; it has never come to the rank of number 2 or 3. So, if anyone believes demographic expansion of a city is growth, it is foolishness.
in economic terms, hyderabad could as well have slipped, to sixth or eighth position (because i guess even ranchi and rajahmundry had airports and railway stations). like kolkata. but unlike kolkata, there could have been no flight of capital from hyderabad, because there was not much industrial capital in the city to begin with.

so, staying in the same place is also progress. and mere public buildings like an airport, railway stations, hospitals etc couldn't have generated enough revenues to even pay for the city's upkeep. people like kcr might like to reduce the most complex things to simple, folksy sound bytes, but if the invaders from andhra and rayalaseema did not build the city's economy, and revenue generating capacity, who did?

thanks to the efforts of the separatists and others, the cii partnership summit, to be held this week, has moved from hyderabad to chennai, because telangana doesn't need that kind of development...er..demographic expansion. which is kind of ironic since it's the separation of andhra from the madras state which slowed down the flow of capital and enterprise from middle class homes in coastal andhra and rayalaseema to chennai, over the last few decades.

7 comments:

T[-]E Pr()DiGiSt said...

Dude u forgot to even think about Praga Tools and Azamabad Industrial area..

Plus

While no ones denying the fact that hyd has benefitted from being the capital of AP.. U should also know that if it weren't for the unification, there could have probably been a agriculture related gain in telangana's economy(thru better utilisation of water resources) and hence educational improvement as well..

Plus Hyderabad was once in consideration to second capital because of its development there(said by Dr.Ambedkar)

Another reason for Hyderabad's development which everyone just ignores is the fact that DRDO and other central R&D institues established here after independence because of its size and location away from immediate threat(Pune, Bangalore and Hyderabad were the cities considered safe and they benifitted from it).

Dont forget that even while staying in Kurnool(As the capital of Andhra State) for three years, Nothing was built over there??Does that say something?

If u say that taxes from Hyderabad should be shared, then i would also like the takes from Vijayawada and Vishakapatnam,Tirupathi shared.. Why Not? When u are asking for the same thing?How about sharing PSU stocks etc-VSP

If Telangana were a separate state since 1956,there would have been a greater influx from the northern hindi speaking region to Hyderabad in particular.. Why?? We would have been a cosmopolitan state which was adept in urdu/hindi.. There is no way that u can prove this wrong...And it would have benifitted for sure.. cos entire north India has just 3 metros-Delhi, Kolkata and Mumbai(west india but hindi is spoken there)

Kiran said...

Kufr,

I dont know how anyone can miss the casteist nature of the telangana separatist movement. It is based on a (false) sense of entitlement of the doras just like caste system is based on.

Development of Hyd before it became a part of AP was directed by Nizam after he observed the rest of the world. The actual building was done by bahujans of telangana and of andhra and rayalseema as well as these two were once parts of Nizam empire once. Now when did this city become the entitlement of karimnagar doras ? Neither Muslims nor Bahujans speak about Hyderabad with the sense of entitlement that these doras speak with.

I have been doing a bit of reading on the history of this movement. Here are some of its favourite past slogans - "idly sambar go back" .."gongura pachadi go back" and they want to characterize this movement as "anti-colonial" movement. Did Indians use such sneering slogans against british ? did telugu freedom fighters use such slogans against Nizam ? but where does this sound familiar ? the sneering contempt of dalit and muslim beef eating habits !

kuffir said...

kiran,

yes. i'd said earlier it's a majoritarian movement that's built around a 'sentiment', like all such movements. in india, all majoritarian movements are essentially engineered by those at the top of the hindu caste order. for many years before kcr and the trs came into the picture, the telangana movement was about isolated movements focussng on very local socio-economic grievances, it didn't develop a 'sentimental' character until some upper caste ideologues and politicians decided to step in. you can clearly see all the elements of other 'sentiment' oriented agitations in this process of evolution. until mainstream political parties and hindu (read upper caste, brahminized obcs and dalits) middle classes begin to take interest in a protest movement in india, it doesn't get dubbed as a 'people's movement' by the media and the intellectual classes..sad.

those slogans are part of my early childhood memories, i understand what they represent..this is part of the process of building a majoritarianism. dehumanizing the andhraites becomes as necessary as devising a new iconography ('telangana talli'), new rituals (holi, prettifying of bathukamma), new ancestors (the nizam returns as benevolent father, not a despot)..

kuffir said...

T[-]E Pr()DiGiSt,

i have a question. you say:

'If Telangana were a separate state since 1956,there would have been a greater influx from the northern hindi speaking region to Hyderabad in particular.. Why?? We would have been a cosmopolitan state which was adept in urdu/hindi..'

i have no wish to prove you wrong or right. i only wish to know why do you think an influx from the north would've made telangana a 'cosmopolitan' state, and how would that've helped the local people?

Kiran said...

Kufr,

Here is something you may want to read about http://www.india-server.com/news/telangana-christian-communities-urge-18801.html - the attacks on christians in telangana by t separatists. Here is a quote from the article
"Shant Raj blamed the BJP and its student wing ABVP for the recent attacks on the Christian community and said, "There have been at least 32 incidents of attacks on churches, pastors and Christians during the last one month." The Christian leaders fear that that the communal forces will get a strong foothold in the new state."

Christianity means empowerment of dalits in the eyes of hindu castes which drive this movement.

ved said...

T[-]E Pr()DiGiSt,

'Dont forget that even while staying in Kurnool(As the capital of Andhra State) for three years, Nothing was built over there??Does that say something? '

I would like to know what Hydebarad has done for 8 years between 1948-1956. BTW, the moment andhra state was formed, it was foregone conclusion that visalandhra state would be formed. Andhra Mahasabha and communists in Telangana were very strong for the formation of Andhra Prdaesh.

'If u say that taxes from Hyderabad should be shared, then i would also like the takes from Vijayawada and Vishakapatnam,Tirupathi shared.. Why Not? When u are asking for the same thing?How about sharing PSU stocks etc-VSP'

Did anybody from Vizag and Vijayawada say 'jaago-baago'? Yes, we can share the taxes from all areas. That setup is called Andhra Pradesh.

'If Telangana were a separate state since 1956,there would have been a greater influx from the northern hindi speaking region to Hyderabad in particular.. Why?? We would have been a cosmopolitan state which was adept in urdu/hindi.. There is no way that u can prove this wrong...And it would have benifitted for sure.. cos entire north India has just 3 metros-Delhi, Kolkata and Mumbai(west india but hindi is spoken there) '

The basic truth is that other than buildings and monuments built from wealth plundered from people of Andhra, Maharastra and Karnataka, there was no human wealth in Hyderabad state. KUFR blog on the number of colleges in Telangana vs Andhra before 1956 illustrates this point. Luckily the formation of AP quickly filled this gap. The formation of Andhra pradesh was the best that has happened to people of Telugu in the last 400 years.

Your comment on Telangana agriculture is a pipe dream. The geographical limitations of Telangana cannot be altered by alignment of states. In fact this argument on agriculture can be used more by separate Andhra supporters, as clearly the role of agriculture in AP economy is at a very dismal level. As the role of agriculture came down, so did the per-capita income of delta districts. East Godavari which used to occupy top three spots plunged to 7th position.

T[-]E Pr()DiGiSt said...

I was generally talking about the assertion that andhra's always make>> We built the human capital around hyderabad and that Telangana would have been educationally backward if it werent for the mergers..

All that i am saying is that people flock to cities because of its infrastructure and Hyderabad at that time(1950s) had that infra.. U can call it telangana's "blessing or curse"(curse because it was built suppresing the human development)

If u look at development since 1950s Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata have populations of greater than 15 million.. Now tell me what did kolkata do since independence to have a human capital of 15 million people.

Compare with metros of South>> Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad>>
7 million each..

I am not saying that that i prefer that scenario and that it would have been better than what hyderabad is now.. Andhras deserve much credit for todays Hyderabad but by laying claim to Hyderabad now you are just rubbishing the sacrifices of those in telangana during nizam's rule(or misrule).

 
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