tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post7745280985927715543..comments2024-01-20T01:42:55.034+05:30Comments on kufr: reality checkkuffirhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-65073968162151157692009-11-22T10:46:22.443+05:302009-11-22T10:46:22.443+05:30Who knows where to download XRumer 5.0 Palladium? ...Who knows where to download XRumer 5.0 Palladium? <br />Help, please. All recommend this program to effectively advertise on the Internet, this is the best program!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-57312083701800289752008-03-13T03:43:00.000+05:302008-03-13T03:43:00.000+05:30tuluva vellala says: "Mr.M.Karunanidhi belongs to ...tuluva vellala says: "Mr.M.Karunanidhi belongs to the Isai Vellala (Mudaliar) community and the DMK itself is a Mudaliar backed"<BR/><BR/>Mudaliars and Isai Vellalas are two totally separate castes. A Mudaliar would never marry into an Isai Vellala family. The term "Isaia Vellala" is itself a modern term, created by Karunanidhi to replace earlier names which were felt to be slurs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-29769202683630555892007-07-01T10:52:00.000+05:302007-07-01T10:52:00.000+05:30Visit my website:www.mudaliars.co.nrBy the way, Mr...Visit my website:www.mudaliars.co.nr<BR/>By the way, Mr.M.Karunanidhi belongs to the Isai Vellala (Mudaliar) community and the DMK itself is a Mudaliar backed political party. This shows that OBC reservation will exist forever and ever and ever... atleast for the Mudaliars.tuluva vellala (bunt mudiraja)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10721034391443798097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-47721968718729955052007-06-19T00:28:00.000+05:302007-06-19T00:28:00.000+05:30ludwig,after a while, one gets tired of repeating ...ludwig,<BR/><BR/>after a while, one gets tired of repeating the same unchanging facts to people... who brush them away with the same unchanging ferocity. i've been doing this for the last twenty years or so.. and what sustains one's dying sense of optimism is that there are other people out there.. like you, who share one's views.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-80556686775701441922007-06-17T23:33:00.000+05:302007-06-17T23:33:00.000+05:30kufr, well said! i think i agree with most of what...kufr, well said! i <I>think</I> i agree with most of what you say in this post, and with your responses to comments. <BR/><BR/>3 generations after independence if the proportion of deprived people is what it is today, i'm not sure how anyone can go with a straight face and say, "wait a little longer, the benefits of the meritocracy will trickle down." or whatever.Ludwighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03710107146505111876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-47400602051922607982007-05-19T15:33:00.000+05:302007-05-19T15:33:00.000+05:30Do you know that the kalabhras, who were bunt muda...Do you know that the kalabhras, who were bunt mudaliars, ruled tamilakam for 3 centuries and ill-treated brahmins, destroyed their history and took away all their land given as bhamadeya by villagers? <BR/>Nothing of their other ills caused to brahmins is mentioned in the puranas perhaps due to shame. Tell me, who is to blame. If they had maintained proper accounts of history or atleast not destroyed the history of Kalabhras, they could have got some soft corner from the other castes.<BR/>The conclusion is that brahmins are born sufferers and disliked by all and superior to none because of Mudaliars' curse. It is the price that brahmins are having to pay for their ancestors' cheap claim of superiority and dominance to attain a high status in the society, which everyone happily gave with these conditions. Hope their ancestors are happy in their graves seeing their descendants not able to compete with the real upper castes.tuluva vellala (bunt mudiraja)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10721034391443798097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-52373213866588935132007-05-15T18:50:00.000+05:302007-05-15T18:50:00.000+05:30There is a correction that i'd like to make: It's ...There is a correction that i'd like to make: It's Raobahadur Ranganadha Mudaliar.tuluva vellala (bunt mudiraja)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10721034391443798097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-86286624494471410712007-05-15T18:30:00.000+05:302007-05-15T18:30:00.000+05:30Almost all hindu emperors were mudaliars and zamin...Almost all hindu emperors were mudaliars and zamindars, gounders, mirazdars, etc were powerful even during the British era. Who could have possibly suppressed us? But why is it written in Manu Smriti that we were shudras because of the neglect of brahmins? Ancestors of brahmins were stupid. They were jealous of the royal blood of mudaliars and wrote blatantly false accounts of their history destroying their original history but history cannot be permanently hidden.In the Manu Smriti, it's written that Kshatriyas were the highest caste actually and thus mudaliars are actually higher than brahmins and thus the highest in the caste system.tuluva vellala (bunt mudiraja)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10721034391443798097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-39312943185268046562007-05-15T11:57:00.000+05:302007-05-15T11:57:00.000+05:30Bunt Mudirajas(vellala mudaliars),Shettys(Chettiya...Bunt Mudirajas(vellala mudaliars),Shettys(Chettiyars) and Pillais, who are from Tulunad(Karnataka), are descendants of Yadava (greatest Aryan ruling caste) kings, who loathed Brahminism(Sanskrit, Vedas, Puranas and the sacred thread) and went even further away from Brahmins intercaste marriages with the genetically superior(to Aryans) Scythian warrior kings, originally from Scandinavia, who ruled Western India till the Britishers arrived and called themselves Bunt Mudirajas (In Karnataka, Scythian settlers are called Bunts. Mudi=great raja=king). Brahmins called themselves superior in race to other castes, which is obviously false from this and most of them were only beggars/priests. The word Vellala is a corrupted form of the bunt surname ballala and Chettiyar/Chetty is from Shetty, another bunt surname . Almost all Indian kingdoms were of Mudirajas (Guptas, Mauryas, Cheras, Cholas, Pandiyas, Kalabhras, Kadambas, Vijayanagar empire, etc.). Thus the descendants of such great people deserve special previleges like how the brahmins got the highest posts in the British era claiming that they were 'racially superior?'. They are still ruling, aren't they? Most influencial and rich people are mudaliars. Even during the British era, my great grandfather (Raibahadur Ranganatha Mudaliar) studied M.Litt from Oxford Univ. and was the DPI in Chennai. My grandfather was Padmashri V.P.Appadurai Mudaliar, former chairman of TN Electricity Board.<BR/>This article is for those who are ignorant of the origin and glory of mudaliars.tuluva vellala (bunt mudiraja)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10721034391443798097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-57396011925341468582007-05-04T11:37:00.000+05:302007-05-04T11:37:00.000+05:30Should we avoid taking a proven medication for a d...Should we avoid taking a proven medication for a disease just because the doctor has a profit motive?Cosmic Voiceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421652782045024255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-54073278862249714392007-05-04T11:21:00.000+05:302007-05-04T11:21:00.000+05:30Great article, Kufr. My comment became too long. W...Great article, Kufr. My comment became too long. Will blog it. <BR/><BR/>Just one thing. Please use uppercases where appropriate. It helps in making it more reader-friendly. Just a request from a regular reader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-70556201708544939262007-04-27T20:33:00.000+05:302007-04-27T20:33:00.000+05:30kufr.Never in my comment did I say that we should ...kufr.<BR/><BR/>Never in my comment did I say that we should all separately crusade for our rights. No, the voice has to come from all of us, collectively, no matter if we are the upper caste, the lower caste, or some mezzanine caste. I'm not bothered about what the upper caste think about the prestigious institutions; my main worry is the real development of the country.<BR/><BR/>Yes, the issue is right now being debated because of the media coverage and the institutions involved, but we should take it as an opportunity to rake up the real issues plaguing the country. It's not the "how", but the "why" we have to deal with. If we solve the "why", the "how" will be automatically solved. Do you think the government is really interested in improving the lot of the poor, the backward, the lower caste and the OBCs? If they were really concerned we wouldn't have been debating about reservations at this moment in the first place. The only concern our HR minister has is when he will next get a chance to lick the heals of a certain family (<EM>I'm almost sounding like a disgruntled journalist here</EM>).<BR/><BR/>Since I've never even seen the main gates of the IITs (<EM>on second thought, I've passed the IIT-gate several times in New Delhi while going to the airport etc.</EM>) and the IIMs I'm least concerned about their elitism. I'm simply concerned about the way the present government is trying to make an ass of us (<EM>by us I mean everybody</EM>). They will give the reservations and the world will move on, and we'll all get busy in our own individual ruts, and that's what they really want.<BR/><BR/>Amrit<BR/><A HREF="http://www.writingcave.com/" REL="nofollow">Writing Cave</A>Amrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185098200382864091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-72186655126719332492007-04-27T18:29:00.000+05:302007-04-27T18:29:00.000+05:30amrit,you are missing the whole point - we came to...amrit,<BR/><BR/>you are missing the whole point - we came to realize fifty years ago that the the lower castes in this country are doing badly in every field.. please think over that again - fifty years. and i'm not talking about the period before that.<BR/><BR/>if an issue that attracts so much public attention - reservations- doesn't get implemented fully for fifty years,,,do you think any other issue that concerns the lower castes gets the attention it deserves in the course of normal everday governance? even this issue gets this kind of prominence only because access to the best institutions in the country are involved. would there be so much hue and cry if it were merely seats in a govt school in a remote village? the upper castes in this country don't want those seats anyway. <BR/><BR/>and who exactly is demanding reservations - the media? the courts? not even the politicians were in favour of reservations in this country for a long long time as i pointed out in my post.<BR/><BR/>try to get at the crux of this whole issuer first before you jump to judgments., you don't think it's your responsiblitity to ask for good schooling for the lower castes? you think the lower castes alone should be asking for redressal of grievances? that they alone should demand justice for atrocities committed on them? don't you see the clear caste divide in what you're saying? <BR/><BR/>when you don't think the issues that concern the lower castes are of no concern to you... if we are already a divided country, let everyone fight for their own rights. the lower castes have a right to access public resources as much as anyone else. you can't deny them that right.<BR/><BR/>as far as larger issues, broader issues etc., of development and so on...do you think the lower castes would be capable of gaining access to any fruits of development without asserting their right to the educational resources available? please note that nobody is 'giving them anything' gratis.<BR/><BR/>the quality of basic education, health and other services - this can be improved only if the establishment wills it. the upper castes hold the reins there- the change has to be initiated there. if you think the lower castes don't want changes there, are not interested in sending their kids to school- think again. the recruitment in all schools in india for the past few years has been over 90%.. more than 50% drop out before they reach class 10 (read my post 'the mess in education watching')..why? <BR/><BR/>more than anything else, lower caste parents in this country are becoming more and more aware about the need for education.. so who's sending their kids away from school? were you ever interested in this issue, was any upper caste anti-reservationist ever interested in the state of our schools before this issue came up? does the media ever cover this issue on an as regular a basis as it covers the shenanigans of bcci or ash-abhishek or whatever..? why can't schools be covered on tv everyday?<BR/><BR/>don't think the lower castes are not demanding education at the school level just because the media didn't tell you about it.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-17113084310561463332007-04-26T20:40:00.000+05:302007-04-26T20:40:00.000+05:30Hi Kufr.Personally, when I oppose reservations, I'...Hi Kufr.<BR/><BR/>Personally, when I oppose reservations, I'm not thinking in terms of anti-OBC or anti-backward classes. I think when one section of our society progresses, we all progress in small or big ways. So for me the question is not about for or against the progress of a particular section: as citizens of this country we have every right to every possible opportunity.<BR/><BR/>50 years ago education for all was suggested but was never implemented -- it doesn't mean it was a wrong concept.<BR/><BR/>What troubles me is, various sections of our society staunchly support the reservations. Where are the voices when the atrocities on dalits and the backward castes go unpunished? Why aren't there strong protests when lower caste children are not allowed to attend school in our various villages? Why don't we vociferously advocate justice for all? How many bloggers cried themselves horse when ropes were inserted in the nostrils of a few dalits just to demonstrate they were no different from domestic animals? The answer is simple.<BR/><BR/>Reservations is an extremely easy step. For this you don't have to work hard for years. Schools are many, but the higher institutions are fewer. So forget providing basic schooling and give them seats in the IIMs and the IITs. Helping them get quality education is laborious, so give them jobs no matter what qualifications they have. Don't give them roads; don't give them water, don't give them food and timely medical help; don't give them schools; let them develop no self-respect; but when they grow up, give them jobs, give them higher education.<BR/><BR/>Great.<BR/><BR/>Amrit<BR/><A HREF="http://www.writingcave.com/" REL="nofollow">Writing Cave</A>Amrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185098200382864091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-34297580785732508222007-04-26T16:37:00.000+05:302007-04-26T16:37:00.000+05:30krish/shivam/apurva/cosmic voices...thanks for you...krish/shivam/apurva/cosmic voices...<BR/><BR/>thanks for your approval.<BR/><BR/>reason/vatsan/ravi srinivas,<BR/><BR/>thanks to you guys too for your comments.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-64368852984246222522007-04-26T16:36:00.000+05:302007-04-26T16:36:00.000+05:30amrit, i hope you can get through the typos and ot...amrit, <BR/><BR/>i hope you can get through the typos and other errors in my response..it was written in a hurry.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-17015088561395787422007-04-26T16:33:00.000+05:302007-04-26T16:33:00.000+05:30amrit,'silly reservations' are the only measurable...amrit,<BR/><BR/>'silly reservations' are the only measurable form of support that can motivate the 'weaker sections' that you talk about to even begun to believe that they have a role, a future in this country.<BR/><BR/>not reading history, even recent history, or choosing to ignore it... is as old an tradition as the epics most of us remember so very vivdly.<BR/><BR/>i'm not asking for reservations - i'm asking anti-reservationists to check their rhetoric a little:<BR/>1) those who claim good schooling at the school level would obviate the need for reservations should remember that this was an argument that was put forward around fifty years ago too, when the idea of reservations for the backward classes was first broached.. it was not fulfilled. <BR/>2) now the current situation you refer to is such that there are a substantial number of obc graduates/candidates are being asked to sacrifice their right to the best indian institutions again so that so-called meritorious students would not be hurt. the govt ensured that the open category students wouldn't be inconvenienced in any way.. but that doesn't seem to satisfy the anti-reservation lobby.. so how are we to understand the situation? it's quite clear their motives are not exactly selfless are unprejudiced.<BR/><BR/>how can these continue to be called public institutions and receive public funds when they choose to remain exclusive?<BR/><BR/>as for caste-obsession, one needs to understand how caste was originally constructed before we prescribe solutions for curbing it.. it was constructed from the top- the top most social classes chose to bar entry to other classes and chose to marry within themselves.. and formed endogamous groups. this trait of exclusiveness was imtitated by the classes just lower down and and so on...<BR/><BR/>so any efforts to curb caste should start right at the top. the castes at the bottom do not have the power or the wherewithal to shake off caste.<BR/><BR/>if in the last fifty years, if caste had shown any sign of dying down, the lower castes in the country would have been the happiest sections in the country.. has it? less than 5% of our population even today, according to some studies, marries outside caste..<BR/><BR/>to kill caste, you've to first recognize it and take measures to fight it on all fronts. not merely ask the lower castes to bear its brunt and continue to make sacrifices.<BR/><BR/>thanks for commenting.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-31230523920867933012007-04-26T13:58:00.000+05:302007-04-26T13:58:00.000+05:30Hi Kufr.First time here. Quite an engaging post. S...Hi Kufr.<BR/><BR/>First time here. Quite an engaging post. Still, it's astounding to see how rhetoric is used to promote the ideology of reservations. Given the current realities, yes, had I been a pessimist, I would say the reservations are a good idea, but I'm not, and I hope there are a few thousands (<EM>or a few million</EM>) people in our country who can see through the undergrowth of caste-obsession.<BR/><BR/>As Ravi rightly says, we need an affirmative action that helps the weaker sections -- all the weaker sections -- and not through silly reservations, but through creating a level-playing field for everybody. True, the upper castes are strong, and they are "vicious" too, and they'll certainly use their muscle/political power to thwart the positive strides, but this is where the real governance, the real political will, will come into the picture and put them back to their place. I don't know the history (<EM>I know, I should read more</EM>), and I don't know the stats, but somethings are lucidly wrong.<BR/><BR/>Amrit<BR/><A HREF="http://www.writingcave.com/" REL="nofollow">Writing Cave</A>Amrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185098200382864091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-82116575003084557852007-04-21T13:03:00.000+05:302007-04-21T13:03:00.000+05:30Is it not strange that those who support OBC reser...Is it not strange that those who support OBC reservation and cite the first Backward classes Commission do not tell you that<BR/>that Commission included women<BR/>in the backward classes.OBC reservation is another name<BR/>for appeasing powerful castes.<BR/>Those who talk of 'success' of reservations in Tamilnadu will<BR/>nevel tell you the recommendations<BR/>of the Sattanathan Commission in 70s and Ambashankar Commission<BR/>in 80s on creamy layer, how some<BR/>castes benefit the most from reservations and elimination of<BR/>some castes from OBC list.They will<BR/>not tell you that OBC reservation<BR/>was hiked to 50% although no<BR/>backward class commission recommended it.The solution is to move towards an affirmative<BR/>action plan that includes women<BR/>and economically weaker sections<BR/>irrespective of caste and religion<BR/>and ensuring that only the really<BR/>backward among OBCs benefit.In Tamilnadu 88% of the state's<BR/>population is declared as 'socially and educationally backward' so that 69% reservation<BR/>can be given.Krish, Shivam may even<BR/>support 100% reservation for OBCs.ரவி ஸ்ரீநிவாஸ்https://www.blogger.com/profile/10176389904737294055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-9151957118297594612007-04-20T23:53:00.000+05:302007-04-20T23:53:00.000+05:30That was a great post to read after my long break ...That was a great post to read after my long break from the blogosphere.Cosmic Voiceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05534205289877044757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-39602742881621033522007-04-18T09:03:00.000+05:302007-04-18T09:03:00.000+05:30yes, OBC reservations is a good idea, but then in ...yes, OBC reservations is a good idea, <BR/><BR/>but then in TN every caste claims to be backward :D thts why reservation was a success.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-48696390735791579922007-04-17T15:27:00.000+05:302007-04-17T15:27:00.000+05:30Q. Can OBCs hide behind assertions of thousand ye...Q. Can OBCs hide behind assertions of thousand years of discrimination and oppression?<BR/><BR/>Yogendra Yadav's Answer: No.<BR/><BR/>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/OPINION/Editorial/LEADER_ARTICLE_Grab_This_Opportunity/articleshow/1881199.cms<BR/><BR/> The government wishes to hide behind assertion about thousand years of discrimination and oppression.<BR/><BR/>This again is not an appropriate response. We need to distinguish the OBCs from the SC. Dalits have suffered from centuries of oppression and discrimination, but this is not true of all the OBCs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-1019207138653382862007-04-16T22:48:00.000+05:302007-04-16T22:48:00.000+05:30The very fact that some of the OBCs in Tamilnadu a...The very fact that some of the OBCs in Tamilnadu are powerful explains the success of reservations system. We are seeing second generation of OBCs taking up engg and medicine. This itself is a proof that reservation system is a success. If every state can emulate Tamilnadu in reservations, we can accelerate the process of levelling the playing field.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-46963895608847552152007-04-16T22:43:00.000+05:302007-04-16T22:43:00.000+05:30Man, you are amazing.Anyhow, reality check and bar...Man, you are amazing.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, reality check and barbarindians are two desperate souls who are trying to protect the monopoly of brahmins, obtained through racism and apartheid, in any possible way. I wouldn't expect any sense from them. Also I don't think they will be able to comprehend what you have told here. If they possessed this ability, they wouldn't be talking this crap in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-30748645469635128542007-04-15T19:12:00.000+05:302007-04-15T19:12:00.000+05:30absolutely killer postabsolutely killer postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com