tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post4859807339538216034..comments2024-01-20T01:42:55.034+05:30Comments on kufr: sharad pawar, farmers' suicides and other obscene jokeskuffirhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-76997469074426814722008-02-10T18:39:00.000+05:302008-02-10T18:39:00.000+05:30It is one of those flashes; may be there is nothin...It is one of those flashes; may be there is nothing to it. In any case, it is somewhat naive thinking at an informal blog discussion level. I come from a farming family and have been in touch with farming families in coastal Andhra since forties. Those days, a farmer with about 10 acres was considered well off and could often send one or more children to university with some difficulty. On a recent trip, I found that the only relatives who are still struggling are those who remained in farming. Those who became bus drivers to doctors all seem to be comfortable now. Generally investments have increased, results uncertain and farmers do not have control over the prices. I found some are turning rice growing fields to eucalyptus farms since the returns are more cetain. Farmers have votes but this does not seem to translate in to power in terms of determining prices of food grains. They tend to be independent and do not seem to have effective unions at the local level. Those with ready money like middle men and bureaucrats seem to have more power. Even the farmers who take to politics seem to join other groups once they attian power. Perhaps many of these other groups are interested in lower food prices and are not interested in sharing power with a large group of independent people. I have not read much except in an informal way, but I get the impression that in most countries small farmers (whatever their percentage may be) do not have power. The reason seems to be that, if necessary, a small percentage of the population can produce the needed grains. Some felt that as long as GDP grows well, India can import grains when needed. What happens to the farmers meanwhile and how they shift to other professions and whether there are plans for such eventualities is not clear to me. Some farmers seem to be looking (in one case a farmer with 10 acres)for part time work in near or far places. This is the sort of vague background from which I felt that small farmers as we know do not have much future.<BR/><BR/>About caste, again my views are vague guesses. After livelihood (sometimes interlinked with livelihood), I think what people (mostly men) strive for is status and partner. The caste system (and the Indian system) provide these to most people by birth and tradition. Lot of effort goes in to maintaing these easily obtianed benefits to build solidarity of groups and descrimination of other groups. However since these groups are not (broadly) physically distinguishable from other groups in terms of features or complexion (which seems to be a big thing in India)etc, there is hope that some sort of economic progress may erase caste in a few hundred years. There seem to be small increases in the proprtion of underprivileged groups in Govt. employment. I am not sure about the perecntages in private enterprizes.<BR/> I agree that these are very naive thoughts but would like to keep trying to understand these matters.gaddeswaruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509075029154476375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-19859047703025543222008-02-10T08:58:00.000+05:302008-02-10T08:58:00.000+05:30swarup garu,the problem with the caste problem is ...swarup garu,<BR/><BR/>the problem with the caste problem is the values you seem to attach to both the farmers'problem and the caste problem. what gives you hope that the caste problem would be solved in a hundred years and farmers problems are insolvable?kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-43470173682565589902008-02-10T02:58:00.000+05:302008-02-10T02:58:00.000+05:30Caste questions and farmers' problems seem to be t...Caste questions and farmers' problems seem to be two different problems. The first may be solved in a few hundred years but it seems to me that the second may not be solvable. In any case, may be it is simpler to discuss the problems seperately.gaddeswaruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509075029154476375noreply@blogger.com