tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post4658753008992653433..comments2024-01-20T01:42:55.034+05:30Comments on kufr: colonization 101kuffirhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-38584723688909766292010-02-03T04:57:53.606+05:302010-02-03T04:57:53.606+05:30kuffr,
'q: but the jobs that are created are ...kuffr,<br /><br /><i>'q: but the jobs that are created are given mostly to fellow andhrawalas.'<br /><br />an argument, without substance.like it were made of straw.</i><br /><br />I think I haven't been as clear as I should have been. I said "I see your straw man and raise you a straw man"<br /><br />What I meant was that I thought in your hypothetical dialogue (one I assumed was made in jest) you included a strawman argument. And I proposed to replace it with better strawman argument. But a strawman argument nonetheless. <br /><br />Because of the paucity of thorough, academic, peer-reviewed articles about jobs, water and other issues, I believe both sides get away with assertions that, I suspect, do not represent the whole truth. <br /><br />Just to be clear, I was mocking the telengana "research scholars" for their silly assertion that betting in IPL matches was aimed at defrauding telengana people.telenganihttp://www.telengana.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-79938504256370639682010-02-02T10:07:48.994+05:302010-02-02T10:07:48.994+05:30telengani,
'q: but the jobs that are created ...telengani,<br /><br />'q: but the jobs that are created are given mostly to fellow andhrawalas.'<br /><br />an argument, without substance.like it were made of straw.<br /><br />there are jobs inside companies/businesses, and jobs created by those comapnies/businesses. jobs within a company/business are only a small part of all jobs created by a company/business/investment within an economy. even if all the jobs in all the companies built by the andhraites went to andhraites, because you guys think the andhraites are as broadminded as you are, there's no way all the jobs *created* by those investments in hyderabad can go exclusively to andhraites. in fact, within hyderabad, there are strong grounds to believe a major portion of jobs *created* went to hyderabadis or telanganis. <br /><br />i don't think neither you, nor any of those well-trained research scholars nor their professors who trained them understand the difference. you have your jobs in the u.s.,. they have jobs here supported by stupid taxpayers.. don't think you guys really need to understand how the world outside your secure homes actually lives.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-781058965329441882010-02-01T23:19:26.288+05:302010-02-01T23:19:26.288+05:30@ved
"The cheap slogan for T vadis is 'c...@ved<br /><br />"The cheap slogan for T vadis is 'cunning andhrites, cheaters' etc? In fact this is the core of separate T movement. Do you mind explaining this group identity and the associated assumptions?"<br /><br />Things have come to this :) I thought it was obvious. I am deeply troubled by assumptions made about people based on a group identity. Regardless of who it's directed at. <br /><br />I have already mentioned in a comment above that I find the generalizations by t-leaders about Andhra people to be "ugly".telenganihttp://www.telengani.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-80927833183226274862010-02-01T01:38:54.503+05:302010-02-01T01:38:54.503+05:30telangani,
The cheap slogan for T vadis is 'c...telangani,<br /><br />The cheap slogan for T vadis is 'cunning andhrites, cheaters' etc? In fact this is the core of separate T movement. Do you mind explaining this group identity and the associated assumptions?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12556950685320967501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-51235432360744165922010-02-01T00:34:06.059+05:302010-02-01T00:34:06.059+05:30@Bhanu Prasad,
I've tried to reconstruct for ...@Bhanu Prasad,<br /><br />I've tried to reconstruct for myself the best version of your argument. And I am still troubled by it. <br /><br />So let's say you are not saying Telengana people are lazy. And white people are not dumb and witless. It's just that Andhra people have a better work ethic. <br /><br />That if three people from each region were hired, you would most likely find the Andhra person putting in an extra hour or two each day and also coming in to work on the weekends. <br /><br />Is this Andhra trait universal? I suspect you would say it is not. Then why make assumptions about the supposed work ethic of individuals based on group identity.telenganihttp://www.telengana.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-78339017962763789012010-01-31T21:24:51.957+05:302010-01-31T21:24:51.957+05:30T[-]E Pr()DiGiSt,
' Who the hell is talking a...T[-]E Pr()DiGiSt,<br /><br /><i>' Who the hell is talking about private sector jobs???'</i><br /><br />Did you ever make an analysis on how many state govt jobs are there in Andhra Pradesh? This latest PRC report <a href="http://www.apfinance.gov.in/html/9th-prc-report_2009.htm" rel="nofollow">9th PRC report 2009</a> is a good source. I know the modus operandi of T vadis and where your numbers are coming. Let me know how many jobs the cunning andhrites(the famous slogan of T vaadis) should get?<br /> <br />Please also do some research on total number of skilled jobs in AP. This will be useful in discussing the relevance of so called stolen jobs.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12556950685320967501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-83530935458582323832010-01-31T14:41:41.164+05:302010-01-31T14:41:41.164+05:30--Whah..what?!? Why don't you just come out an...--Whah..what?!? Why don't you just come out and say that telangana people are lazy : )--<br /><br /> This is in no way denigration of people of Telangana. Look at US, few companies hire Indians because we work hard for a lower cost. Same here. <br /><br /> According to your logic we must argue that white people are dumb and witless. But, is it so?Bhanu Prasadhttp://politics.bhanuprasad.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-32540138654191922442010-01-31T11:06:16.828+05:302010-01-31T11:06:16.828+05:30@Bhanu Prasad,
"The real reason is that it m...@Bhanu Prasad,<br /><br />"The real reason is that it makes business sense to give jobs to andhrites. These fellows slog additional hours for the same pay. If telanganites can slog more, they will go through."<br /><br />Whah..what?!? Why don't you just come out and say that telangana people are lazy : ) <br /><br />Btw, your's is exactly the sort of argument that enables t-movement leaders to make ugly generalizations about Andhra people.telenganihttp://www.telengana.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-29217045829305644122010-01-31T08:38:45.796+05:302010-01-31T08:38:45.796+05:30Mr. Telangani,
a: but they create jobs.
q: bu...Mr. Telangani,<br /><br /><br /><br /> a: but they create jobs.<br /> q: but the jobs that are created are given mostly to fellow andhrawalas.<br /> <br />The real reason is that it makes business sense to give jobs to andhrites. These fellows slog additional hours for the same pay. If telanganites can slog more, they will go through. <br /> <br /> Man..they are capitalists and only thing that is given value is profit and money. This is irrespective of region.Bhanu Prasadhttp://politics.bhanuprasad.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-61348606763852072622010-01-31T03:07:40.600+05:302010-01-31T03:07:40.600+05:30a: but they create jobs.
q: we don't want thei...<i>a: but they create jobs.<br />q: we don't want their jobs.</i><br /><br />I see your strawman and raise you a strawman. <br /><br />a: but they create jobs.<br />q: but the jobs that are created are given mostly to fellow andhrawalas.<br /><br />This can go on for ever. The best way to resolve this mess is...if we could have...research scholars...<a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/ipl/top-stories/Telangana-Forum-threatens-to-disrupt-IPL-matches-in-Hyderabad/articleshow/5505528.cms" rel="nofollow">well-trained highly logical research scholars</a> evaluating the issue. <br /><br />For example the "research scholars" have decided to prevent IPL matches from taking place in Hyderabad because "betting on cricket matches is also taking place which is nothing but looting of the money of Telangana people"telenganihttp://www.telengana.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-39510334660828690662010-01-30T20:30:07.824+05:302010-01-30T20:30:07.824+05:30Telangana has benefited from the united state. The...Telangana has benefited from the united state. The benefit is much more than the cushy white collar jobs that were supposedly lost to Andhra "Settlers".Bhanu Prasadhttp://politics.bhanuprasad.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-80754013679082987852010-01-30T18:43:51.777+05:302010-01-30T18:43:51.777+05:30T[-]E Pr()DiGiSt,
' Who the hell is talking a...T[-]E Pr()DiGiSt,<br /><br />' Who the hell is talking about private sector jobs???'<br /><br />first, i welcome all kinds of comments, especially from people who hold different points of view like you, but courtesy in comments would be appreciated. <br /><br />now, coming back to your comment/s: i don't even claim to be an intellectual, so i can't really be a pseudo-intellectual. <br /><br />but please ask whoever intellectual/pseudo-intellectual who's been teaching you about 'injustice in jobs' whatever makes him/her think 'jobs' mean govt jobs solely? and why does he/she think they're so very important?kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-26182155620109412002010-01-30T15:29:42.087+05:302010-01-30T15:29:42.087+05:30The tragedy is that such puerile arguments are now...The tragedy is that such puerile arguments are now consumed widely in AP. One wonders whether this is the same population which once welcomed revolutionary communist ideas, a population which is generally by indian standards peaceful and progressive.Kirannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-37263789297132819352010-01-30T14:30:58.802+05:302010-01-30T14:30:58.802+05:30--And the injustice was in the government sector j...--And the injustice was in the government sector jobs when they were the only jobs available---<br /><br /> That is just one aspect of picture, even if these people get governement jobs it will be a miniscule percentage < 5. This is not a wholesome picture of the entire state.Bhanu Prasadhttp://politics.bhanuprasad.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-61915201788897383262010-01-30T11:13:25.044+05:302010-01-30T11:13:25.044+05:30Kuffir,
At some stage, can you please write a bit...Kuffir, <br />At some stage, can you please write a bit about Anant Maringanti's article in EPW. He seems to cover some interesting points but some of the discussion is a bit obtuse to me since I do not know many of the facts, particularly about the political developments in the Mandal headquarters. Thanks.<br />Swarupgaddeswaruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509075029154476375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-41458255151959976342010-01-30T09:23:27.545+05:302010-01-30T09:23:27.545+05:30:D heh! nice.:D heh! nice.Space Barhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08251329008160756254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-105923511888417922010-01-30T09:10:52.397+05:302010-01-30T09:10:52.397+05:30@kufr
And this is nice way to counter people>...@kufr <br /><br />And this is nice way to counter people>> If you cannot oppose the cause pick out the people who <b><i>you</i></b> think are leading it>> That speaks a lot about your pseudo intellectualityT[-]E Pr()DiGiSthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18440708532261639284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-62102246041969197792010-01-30T09:08:15.142+05:302010-01-30T09:08:15.142+05:30Who the hell is talking about private sector jobs?...Who the hell is talking about private sector jobs???<br /><br />And the injustice was in the government sector jobs when they were the only jobs available<br /><br />This is like chopping of a mans leg when he couldnt run because he was limpingT[-]E Pr()DiGiSthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18440708532261639284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-18122517846735362192010-01-30T05:21:17.522+05:302010-01-30T05:21:17.522+05:30Kuffir,
ROFL!Lol.....you hit the nail on it'...Kuffir,<br /><br /> ROFL!Lol.....you hit the nail on it's head.<br /><br /> Telangana Development Forum is a hypocritical organization. Nothing more nothing lessBhanu Prasadhttp://politics.bhanuprasad.netnoreply@blogger.com