tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post4103685296013438349..comments2024-01-20T01:42:55.034+05:30Comments on kufr: telangana: a movement without a social agenda 4kuffirhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-5858550838555102512010-05-19T17:45:58.679+05:302010-05-19T17:45:58.679+05:30You are ignoring two important points from Prof. K...You are ignoring two important points from Prof. Kancha Ilaiah's report.<br /><br />1. The popularity of the Telangana movement among all groups, especially OBC (Prof. Ilaiah's core support group).<br />2. Prof. Ilaiah's own support for seperate Telangana<br /><br />As an aside, I do not know who celebrated Batukamma in nizam's rule but I have seen women of all castes celebrate the festival for several decades nowBatukamma fannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-91085963800449650922010-02-25T01:05:27.061+05:302010-02-25T01:05:27.061+05:30Kufr,
In relation to your above response to Reali...Kufr,<br /><br />In relation to your above response to Reality, I am wondering if there is good anecdotal evidence to suggest that states or constituencies with stronger obc/dalit representation have actually progressed better in terms of social and economic empowerment. I am tempted to believe that the link between political representation and development of backward castes is very weak. Most politicians do not carry the same urge and commitment any more once they get elected and even the few committed will confront with insitutions that are ill-equipped, inefficient or corrput to effect positive change or meet developmental goals.Sridharnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-1353777542015829682010-02-25T00:32:44.239+05:302010-02-25T00:32:44.239+05:30.. a united state gives youngsters from these sect..... a united state gives youngsters from these sections of society a chance for exploring new opportunities, assimilate varying thought process and cultures from people hailing from different parts of the state.<br />This assimilation would instill the much required self confidence and assertiveness in them, qualities which the upper caste dora's and panthulu's fear.<br /><br />what would be a better way to slow down or stop this than cultural and geographical isolation.<br /><br />Reinforcement of cultural isolation has already begun in the form of "traditional" protests and dhoom dhams.<br /><br />All they need is geographical isolation.sreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05082852155005343449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-51077279492983409112010-02-25T00:10:39.902+05:302010-02-25T00:10:39.902+05:30The Telangana Congress Monitoring Group (TCMG) in ...The Telangana Congress Monitoring Group (TCMG) in a <a href="http://andhraheadlines.com/BrowseArticle.aspx?CatID=4&ArtID=60333" rel="nofollow">press release</a>.<br /><br /><i>The issues of concentration in the document to be submitted to the committee include difference between Telangana and Coastal- Rayalaseema people on social, cultural, language slant and anthropological basis, human development and human poverty index, <b>destruction of future of artisan class of Telangana,</b> difference of administration before and after 1956 and Mulki turmoil.</i><br /><br />What kind of destruction are they referring to?<br />Is it the destruction of their "traditional/cultural" occupations, as the younger generations from these classes are taking up modern professions such as engineering and medicine and other non traditional professions.?<br /><br />I think they are.sreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05082852155005343449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-6554338118658757812010-02-24T17:07:16.193+05:302010-02-24T17:07:16.193+05:30reality,
thanks for this question. most of my pos...reality,<br /><br />thanks for this question. most of my posts revolve around this issue and i've always made it very clear that social justice is essentially about rights of the underprivileged, not merely representation. but the fight against caste entails empowering the so-called lower castes, economically, socially and politically.. of those, i believe, social empowerment through education etc is more important. but all the three aspects of this battle are linked inextricably.. more funds and attention from the government for schools and public healthcare, for instance, for the lower castes will never come through until they get a stronger political voice (and this doesn't necessarily have to come from lower caste politicians but upper caste leaders have never made a strong case for it). and without social empowerment, or education, economic empowerment can also be very difficult.<br /><br />but in the current context, when talking about the separatist agitation, one can see that their ideologues are not even talking about the more populistic aspects of lower caste empowerment like better political representation--do they really care about empowerment, in a much broader sense? that's my point.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-34044376227097517452010-02-24T16:54:26.305+05:302010-02-24T16:54:26.305+05:30sridhar,
'The agitating masses, irrespective ...sridhar,<br /><br />'The agitating masses, irrespective of castes, simply want to see driving away Andhraites from political and economic space in Hyderabad.'<br /><br />despite all the hype, the larger truth is, only a vocal minority usually speaks for 'the masses'.. even the most thumping landslides in electoral history haven't given to any winning party more than 40% on average of all polled votes, and not more than 20% of all potential votes.<br /><br />this is a country where you'll find many sections of the masses are still not aware that indira/raj gandhi is no longer the prime minister of the country...the media and the excitable middle classes use the words 'mass movements' etc too loosely, to put it mildly.<br /><br />the doctors and the lawyers? hehe.. i've written in one of my earlier posts that you'd find more doctors from india in the american countryside than in indian villages. those two sections of indian middle classes have always been more acutely aware of their self-interests than anyone else..in fact, most of the inputs for this legalistic, unidimensional plaint for a separate state came from lawyers, first.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-28163952478907218692010-02-23T16:40:41.820+05:302010-02-23T16:40:41.820+05:30@ Kufr
I have a question on social justice. Is i...@ Kufr <br /><br />I have a question on social justice. Is it necessary for all the backward castes to get their representatives in legislatures and other seats of power ? Shouldnt social justice agenda be more on ensuring there would be more dalit-obc doctors ,enggs,teachers , lawyers ,officers,entrepreneurs etc than on creating dalit obc mlas or ministers. We saw in UP , despite mayawati nothing has changed for dalits . My whole point is social justice should focus on the crores of people who deserve better ,than on the few hundreds who may get power.Realityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01435214069603839727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-48801745412180704472010-02-23T05:42:11.694+05:302010-02-23T05:42:11.694+05:30Kufr,
The agitating masses, irrespective of caste...Kufr,<br /><br />The agitating masses, irrespective of castes, simply want to see driving away Andhraites from political and economic space in Hyderabad. At least for the moment the 'self rule' appears to be the driving force and people of all castes seem to put the caste on back seat. The OBC politicians probably believe that they can further their share of political footprint in the event of separate Telangana. It is another thing if social justice would become a reality in separate state but the agitating masses do really care about it now - after all the potent brainwashing and hysteria? The masses simply believe that there would be millions of jobs that would be freed up and tons of displaced business ventures that they can take over in the new state. But I am still wondering what is driving the lawyers and doctors to campaign so vigorously. Probably they too see increased market shares?Sridharnoreply@blogger.com