tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post2483439963396265241..comments2024-01-20T01:42:55.034+05:30Comments on kufr: why the bjp loves telanganakuffirhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-69115990198344528342010-02-02T10:59:33.811+05:302010-02-02T10:59:33.811+05:30idler,
'the rss is only one part of a parivar...idler,<br /><br />'the rss is only one part of a parivar that consists of around 33 different organizations including the rss, bjp, abvp, bajrang dal and so on..'<br /><br />forgot the number 33.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-20478861733051450122010-02-02T10:58:09.004+05:302010-02-02T10:58:09.004+05:30idler,
please read. before you comment. i said &#...idler,<br /><br />please read. before you comment. i said 'parivar', not 'rss'. the rss is only one part of a parivar that consists of around different organizations including the rss, bjp, abvp, bajrang dal and so on. <br /><br />because there are so many of them, you might sometimes think they hold different views. they only *seem* to hold different views to some credulous sorts. like you are taken in by the telangana movement.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-85978578164887511672010-02-02T10:50:32.113+05:302010-02-02T10:50:32.113+05:30"RSS disapproves of statehood for Telangana
...<i>"RSS disapproves of statehood for Telangana<br /><br />And, you can read their editorial (at their mouthpiece) Think of governance and growth.<br />Not emotion and petty politics for new states. "</i><br /><br />idler,<br /><br />Those links are telling only half truth.<br /><br />The day after above news came(1st link), BJP/RSS clarified that press quoted Mr Bhagat's comments wrongly and they indeed support separate T.<br /><br />The second link is also partially true. What they mentioned in the editorial doesn't apply for Telangana. This was also clarified in later press reports.<br /><br />BJP is definitely betting on Telangana at the expense of Andhra as they have very good chance of making it Hindu vs Muslim in T. In Andhra they gave up as they have no chance.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12556950685320967501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-13852978459575728642010-02-02T01:45:39.992+05:302010-02-02T01:45:39.992+05:30Idler,
Googling 'BJP on Telangana' I find ...Idler,<br />Googling 'BJP on Telangana' I find lot of BJP statements supporting Telangana. But that is beside the point. I do not think there is any point calling names. I have been following this blog for a few years. Sometimes I do not understand the posts and sometimes Kuffir is angry. I think that he is from Telangana and not from one of the privileged classes. He seems frustrated by the political processes and lack of progress for the underprivileged. On the whole, I find Kuffir very knowledgeable with a strong background in the ground realities. Like many he can gets frustrated and blows steam off and on. I think that he is a valuable resource and we should use his knowledge and resources to form our own opinions on the problems rathen than calling names and resort to rhetoric. I do not have any strong opinions on two or more states with in A.P. but what one has to try to see are the consequences.gaddeswaruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509075029154476375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-65382473683109798982010-02-01T11:27:48.421+05:302010-02-01T11:27:48.421+05:30kufr,
the bjp and the parivar, of course, have b...kufr,<br /><br /><i> the bjp and the parivar, of course, have been the oldest supporters of telangana.</i><br /><br />Kufr, in your mindless obsession against Telangana, you may be hurting your credibility (what little of it you may have) by falsifying information.<br /><br /><a href="http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jan/03/rss-slams-telangana-statehood.htm" rel="nofollow"> RSS disapproves of statehood for Telangana </a> <br /><br />And, you can read their editorial (at their mouthpiece) <a href="http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=323&page=3" rel="nofollow">Think of governance and growth.<br />Not emotion and petty politics for new states </a>.Idlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13812152678557636207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-49329954245815364472010-02-01T02:23:06.910+05:302010-02-01T02:23:06.910+05:30Ved, Kuffir and others,
It too seems to me that di...Ved, Kuffir and others,<br />It too seems to me that division is inevitable and it will be damaging to the whole state, particularly land locked Telangana ( I think Nizam made attempts to get back coastal Andhra from the British and also had plans to buy Goa from the Portugese for access to the coast). Are there some scenarios of division and reorganization which will minimize the damage?gaddeswaruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509075029154476375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-17370010638983952962010-02-01T02:14:39.580+05:302010-02-01T02:14:39.580+05:30murli/ved,
thanks for those comments. i look at t...murli/ved,<br /><br />thanks for those comments. i look at this from the angle of economic and social justice: i don't see much scope for attaining those goals in two/three divided states. what the very deaf ruling classes in delhi have heard until now is only a very unidimensional narrative. when they start doing the math, they'll have to factor in the future too, not just go by a legalistic plaint. if they do an honest job, i think their findings would be unpleasant for those who have been narrowminded, in all regions.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-2020106767519789102010-02-01T01:32:52.657+05:302010-02-01T01:32:52.657+05:30”I want to comment on the roles played by YSR and ...<i>”I want to comment on the roles played by YSR and CBN for the predicament that we are in. Do you think they played with fire by aligning themselves with TRS in 2004 and 2009 respectively?” </i><br /><br />Murli,<br /><br />No question. In 2004, Congress, desperate to beat seemingly unbeatable CBN, raised the separate T card and aligned with TRS. Remember that Sonia went to campaign with pink kanduva. They included separate T in the common minimum program and it was part of presidential speech. Congress did enormous damage for united AP. In essence congress brought legitimacy to a non-existent movement to defeat CBN. <br /><br />Even if you go back to the history of state formation in 1956, the seeds of T separation were created by congress high command, led by Nehru who termed the formation of AP as 'Telugu imperialism'. Several politicians of Telangana, including Mr Chenna Reddy, who was the leader of andhra maha sabha and strong supporter of visalandhra few years before, sensed Nehru's reluctance and switched the sides and started dreaming about separate Telangana. The deliberate ambiguous language used by Fazal Ali in the first SRC report was influenced by Nehru's thoughts. So irritated Nehru about this Telugu imperialism, he overridden first SRC recommendations of including Humpi in Andhra Pradesh, as he thought such inclusion would give into the demands of Telugu Imperialism – a small win for his bruised ego. At the end AP lost several Telugu speaking areas in Karanataka and Orissa.<br /><br />As far as TDP, the 2009 flip flop was a historical blunder. Should separate T form, TDP is no position to capitalize this to win votes in seema-andhra. This is giving tremendous leverage for Congress to carve out separate state and perhaps this should be attributed to TDP as equally responsible for the division. <br /><br />At the end it is the leaders of Andhra Pradesh that failed this state with dirty opportunistic politics and destroyed 50 years of hard work. With emotions running high, with two perceptions completely opposite, all the indications are that the division is inevitable. Only historians, 50 years from now, can bring the correct perspective on this sad story of Telugu people - 'The rise and fall of Andhra Pradesh'.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12556950685320967501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-42457642616292275482010-01-31T09:08:17.430+05:302010-01-31T09:08:17.430+05:30In essence BJP's demand for seperate state is ...In essence BJP's demand for seperate state is straight out of Hindutva book.<br /><br /> But, is it feasible?. Can they blur our language for our Bueatiful language, Telugu, and make us completely loyal to Hinduism?. I have my reservations...Bhanu Prasadhttp://politics.bhanuprasad.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-82855854403131610972010-01-31T09:02:31.740+05:302010-01-31T09:02:31.740+05:30How come MIM issued fatwa against national anthem ...How come MIM issued fatwa against national anthem ???<br />so please dont represent MIM as if it represents all muslims..<br />I am a muslim too and never in my life MIM never represented true muslims nor it participated in any hyderabad problems! I even never saw MIM speaking in Telugu in State assembly when inturn we live telugu speaking state.<br /><br />stop spreading fear in muslims by showing some irresponsible commentor saying some crap! <br />no body supports bjp and that commentrator might be some terrorist who want to disrupt our religion integrity and I am surprised that you are picking story from a comment..<br />you are no different then some TV channels who made a big story on ysr death from a russian website and created tentionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-43571884323118388572010-01-31T08:55:01.322+05:302010-01-31T08:55:01.322+05:30Kufr,
BJP plans to blur all differences of lan...Kufr,<br /><br /> BJP plans to blur all differences of language and religion and unite people based only on religion. Hence it's demand for seperate states. Even Savarkar had opinion that linguistic states is a "dangerous" idea. That is the reason I don't see any "Andhra Baago" rants from leaders of BJP. BJP's demand for seperate state is based on their ideology. Neither hate for andhrites or desire for adding one more state to their kitty.<br /><br /> In addition BJP likes to give a religious spin to Peasant uprising over feudal landlords. Apparently, according to BJP Intellectuals, the uprising should be seen as a popular hindu revolt against tyrannic Muslim Nawab. <br /><br /> But VHP uses OBC's and Dalits regularly to intimidate muslims. This is the most ironic aspect of all. How did the castes that were most subjugated under Hindu system have become it's foot soldiers after 50 years?Bhanu Prasadhttp://politics.bhanuprasad.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-71725127631123129292010-01-31T04:50:05.007+05:302010-01-31T04:50:05.007+05:30Kufr,
This is my first comment, even though I have...Kufr,<br />This is my first comment, even though I have been reading your blog for many years. I like your blog very much. From the terms of the committee anounced by Chidamabaram it appears as if the Center has already decided to bifurcate the state. It appears the chances for a united state are reducing day by day. I want to comment on the roles played by YSR and CBN for the predicament that we are in. Do you think they played with fire by aligning themselves with TRS in 2004 and 2009 respectively?Murlinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-64385823361204079122010-01-31T03:42:30.431+05:302010-01-31T03:42:30.431+05:30>>it upholds caste, gives the dalitbahujans ...>>it upholds caste, gives the dalitbahujans a false sense of empowerment for that brief moment of being equal. the weapon that was used against them for ages: how can they wield it? don't they understand their acceptance of that weapon for that brief moment gives it new life for several more generations?<<<br /><br />so true. painfully, lethally true.anuhttp://castory.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com