tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post2044736281780019951..comments2024-01-20T01:42:55.034+05:30Comments on kufr: how telangana grew morekuffirhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-54992913828913927692011-10-03T01:08:42.581+05:302011-10-03T01:08:42.581+05:30anon,
thanks for trying to educate me. now where ...anon,<br /><br />thanks for trying to educate me. now where do those figures say that telangana did not grow more?kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-23094252329360064682011-10-02T19:56:50.180+05:302011-10-02T19:56:50.180+05:30Just see the following from HDR report of AP
Table...Just see the following from HDR report of AP<br />Table : A3.1 Income Dimension of Human Development -<br />Per Capita District Domestic Product (DDP) in Constant (1993-94) Prices across<br />Districts of Andhra Pradesh<br /><br /> 1993-94 2004-05<br />1 Srikakulam 4975 8845<br />2 Vizianagaram 5664 8316<br />3 Visakhapatnam 8265 17504<br />4 East Godavari 7840 12883<br />5 West Godavari 8161 12975<br />6 Krishna 8395 12249<br />7 Guntur 8501 12137<br />8 Prakasam 7554 11175<br />9 Nellore 8511 11588<br />10 Chittoor 7778 10774<br />11 Kadapa 7488 9642<br />12 Anantapur 7601 9578<br />13 Kurnool 7346 9877<br />14 Mahabubnagar 4766 8996<br />15 Rangareddy 9360 14948<br />16 Hyderabad 7686 15743<br />17 Medak 8838 14366<br />18 Nizamabad 6193 10082<br />19 Adilabad 7179 10067<br />20 Karimnagar 7126 11426<br />21 Warangal 5452 9598<br />22 Khammam 7766 13653<br />23 Nalgonda 6260 9301<br />Andhra Pradesh 7416 11756<br />i JUST provided you the details to let you know about the gimmicks of percentages;Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-43277195699902714532011-10-02T19:10:10.354+05:302011-10-02T19:10:10.354+05:30Just see this, in rupees than percentages; Just pr...Just see this, in rupees than percentages; Just providing for the highlighted districts only; AP 1300; Nalgonda 1028; Khammmam 1505; Warangal 1045; karimnagar 1248; Medak 1636; Hyderabad 1758; Ranga reddy 1667; Mahaboobnagar 976; Prakasam 1220; Krishna 1360; Vizag 2026 (from government of AP Website from its HDR)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-56534340101277615022010-03-06T02:53:41.796+05:302010-03-06T02:53:41.796+05:30Thank you Swarup garu for the links. Remmitances w...Thank you Swarup garu for the links. Remmitances will increase the amount of per capita income and stir up consumption. If the additional income is used to buy goods that are actually not manufactured within the state or district then GDP should remain unchanged. Expenditure on food is likely to come entirely from within. While those on automobiles, clothing, equipment etc., could depend on where they originate. Increased incomes could also be spent on various services likely to come entirely from local enterprises and thus contribute to GDP. Remmitances and savings could also be invested locally to build manufacturing, construction or services industries and which will also directly contribute to GDP based on value addition of the process. So how the money is put to use will have bearing on the magnitude of change in GDP. Increases in GDP will reflect in increases in local employment depending on how labor intensive the production process is.Sridharnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-80044087305341212782010-03-05T02:51:47.163+05:302010-03-05T02:51:47.163+05:30There is a description of how GSP is calculated
he...There is a description of how GSP is calculated<br /><a href="http://www.and.nic.in/Know%20Andaman/Economic%20survey%20ANI/CHAPTER%20-%203.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> (after a quick google search; there will be many other expositions). It says that it is calculated using one or a combination of 3 approaches:<br />For the purpose of estimation of State Domestic Product, the state economy is broadly classified into Agriculture, Industries and Services sectors. Estimates of these sectors are prepared individually by adopting one or more of the following approaches. <br />(i) <br />Production. <br />(ii) <br />Income <br />Approach. <br />(iii) <br />Expenditure <br />Approach. <br />I think that remittances play a role in the third approach. I think that one has to enquire at the source what approach or a combination of approaches is used.<br />The chapter explains in more detail each approach.<br />I have no expertise on these matters, just trying to learn.gaddeswaruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509075029154476375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-37953150953373064002010-03-04T09:06:43.512+05:302010-03-04T09:06:43.512+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.sravanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08870220615305693426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-32292071515646525442010-03-03T21:59:27.438+05:302010-03-03T21:59:27.438+05:30Kufr,
I come from a backward Telangana district a...Kufr,<br /><br />I come from a backward Telangana district and my grand parents are all farmers. What made you think that I would say that Telanganis can not work or do any thing! I was only commenting about technical aspects of GDP estimations and the possibility that the gauge of consumption alone could be overestimating the GDP (for e.g., the expenditure method sums up all the sales to consumers, businesses, government and exports less the imports. While it might be easy in case of a nation or state to accurately measure the imports and exports, not sure if that is possible in a district). It is my thinking that apart from increases in agricultural production over the years, the govt or private investments did not expand the production capacity (manufacturing or services base) further in these districts to significantly increase the gross domestic product. May be true for most of the districts in the state. And I do not have any empirical evidence to this hypothesis. I am only trying to give a different perspective and not contradict any of the observations you have made. Some of other useful things relevant are: The proximity of a big metro like Hyd can be a boon to the neighboring districts by being a supplier of various goods and services consumed in the city. How much of this demand is being met by the surrounding districts? May be a lot of agric. produce, electricity and few others. But I really do not how much. Is it trending upward, downward or flat – I do not know.<br /><br />I am a Telangani but believe that there are greater opportunities to everybody in a united state. Nor do I believe that a separate state will be an answer to the lack of a scientific and practical approach to development and elimination of poverty. If there is anything that I detest about my Telangana friends it is their blind hatred to the people from other regions and that they feel it justified to claim Hyderabad and that it can be a panacea of all the perceived ills.Sridharnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-66209734967698178792010-03-03T12:20:45.146+05:302010-03-03T12:20:45.146+05:30sridhar,
the last few years have made endless spe...sridhar,<br /><br />the last few years have made endless speculation without any evidence an acceptable currency in public discourse in andhra pradesh. i've talked about the dangers of this tendency in earlier posts too.. let's not go on that road. it steadily becomes more narrower as we follow it.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-20610560737723237872010-03-03T11:29:11.346+05:302010-03-03T11:29:11.346+05:30correction:
'i guess i'll have to repeat ...correction:<br /><br />'i guess i'll have to repeat myself: the so-called 'massive govt' spending in infrastructure started in 2006-07..'<br /><br />pl read 2006-07 as 2004-05.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-79373991398654500852010-03-03T11:25:10.396+05:302010-03-03T11:25:10.396+05:30sridhar,
i guess i'll have to repeat myself: ...sridhar,<br /><br />i guess i'll have to repeat myself: the so-called 'massive govt' spending in infrastructure started in 2006-07.<br /><br />please read the post before you jump to conclusions. <br /><br />second: as for the quality of growth in telangana, please also read the bhandare/khare study i'd linked to earlier. metro regions are large drivers of growth.<br /><br />third, i'd said this earlier, but i guess i've to repeat it again. remittances and consumption expenditure form a large part of gdp in such high per capita gdp areas as coastal andhra and kerala. that's known wisdom. please come up with any specific evidence on why you feel telangana districts are relying to a large extent on remittances and consumption to thrive.<br /><br />four, remittances that fuel consumption means large numbers of telanganis fron villages have secured great jobs in hyderabad and have large sums of money to send back home and fuel the whole economy of rural telangana..do you have any evidence that only telanganis hold the best jobs in hyderabad?<br /><br />five, i notice in all this concern about quality of growth in telangana an underlying disbelief that telanganis could actually work or do anything meaningful. if you've any relatives who know a little about farming in arid regions of india, please talk with them. farming in arid regions of india is one of toughest jobs in the world. i don't wish to say more on this.<br /><br />five, i've said in my previous reply and i'm repeating the same point here: i've written countless posts about the uneven distribution of resources and growth in india. i was not talking about the *quality* of growth in telangana in this post. i was talking about relative growth across regions. in this post itself, i've said:<br /><br /> 'across india, there are large pockets of distress in every village. rural india as a whole, 70% of the population, gets only 30% of the gdp. and even that small share of the pie gets divided very unevenly: probably 60-80% of it goes to 20% of the rural population. usually those with better and bigger landholdings, and of purer castes.'<br /><br />not just telangana, i feel the quality of growth in coastal andhra and rayalaseema too is as poor. but let me again repeat, my focus in this post was to discuss 'relative' growth, not quality of growth. and we've all been moved from discussing quality of growth to mere relative growth in all regions because we had not discussed neither, over the decades.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-57359546137324794702010-03-03T09:02:53.315+05:302010-03-03T09:02:53.315+05:30--Except that this time, it is our politicians try...--Except that this time, it is our politicians trying to divide and rule us.--<br /><br />Chaitanya gaaru,<br /><br /> I cannot agree with this statement. As i see, success of andhrites, be it in education or busness, has caused envy among telangana people. They also hold us responsible for "colonizing" them i.e., settling in their lands in large numbers.<br /><br /> In this situation, I feel, we have gone beyond the level of being together in one state.Bhanu Prasadhttp://politics.bhanuprasad.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-39667399523533479292010-03-03T07:04:08.108+05:302010-03-03T07:04:08.108+05:30K.C.
Still there is no harm discussing various asp...K.C.<br />Still there is no harm discussing various aspects of living together. There is a perception, which I think is true, of uneven development in which is resources are not shared equitably by all regions and communities. In complex issues like this, there are mant aspects whih I am ignorant; even about how SDPs are calculated. Perhaps, these discussions may indicate how to correct mistakes, intentional or unintentional, of the past. I feel that I am learning from the discussions ( I avoid some blogs which are polemical) in blogs like this.gaddeswaruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509075029154476375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-32354806568790638512010-03-03T05:22:11.101+05:302010-03-03T05:22:11.101+05:30Personally, I believe that development through sep...Personally, I believe that development through separation is a misnomer. Separation only leads to de-centralization of power and better administration. History has thought us to be together. Great dynasties like Kakatiya and Vijayanagara have always tried to unite the Telugus. They believed in "Unity is strength". It is the British who tried to divide and rule us. Ironically, history seems to be repeating itself. Except that this time, it is our politicians trying to divide and rule us.Krishna Chaitanyahttp://www.great-telugu-land.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-47898929319497431202010-03-03T04:21:48.558+05:302010-03-03T04:21:48.558+05:30Sudhir and others,
Here is a document explaining h...Sudhir and others,<br />Here is a document explaining how State Domestic Product SDP (District Domestic Product DDP) etc are calculated:<br />http://www.and.nic.in/Know%20Andaman/Economic%20survey%20ANI/CHAPTER%20-%203.pdfgaddeswaruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509075029154476375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-37530928665878878852010-03-02T21:33:46.926+05:302010-03-02T21:33:46.926+05:30Kufr, Ved: I doubly agree that there is clear evid...Kufr, Ved: I doubly agree that there is clear evidence of growth in T districts. But I am tempted to believe that the growth is so much tied to the economy of Hyd and massive govt spending on infrastructure projects. Income by means of remittances and revenues based in Hyd appears to be the major driver of elevated consumption levels. Govt spending on infrastructure is another thing.<br /><br />In order for GDP stats to be meanigful, the domestic production and consumption should be within the geographic boundaries, roughly speaking. The amount of value-added by means of domestic production and services is the real indicator of GDP. In the T districts the consumption based GDP stats seem to overestimate the actual productive capacities. I may be wrong but is what appears to me!<br /><br />The spillover effects of Hyd on the T region appears more prominent that its effects on other regions of the state. One reason why other regions appear to be stagnated is that they probably did not make significant additions to their production facilities to keep pace with the state average. Clearly the focus has shifted to Hyd and all the skilled labor seem to have fled to the IT hubs.<br /><br />Even after taking into account the Hyd-centric development and its influence on other districts of the state, which districts would be most deprived if one were to unplug Hyd?<br /><br />Post-reforms the human resource capabilities, infrastructure, and income levels in T districts have significantly improved compared to other regions. And I think the indicators have to confine to these few than extrapolating to others that may not hold true at least for the moment. But in no way I attempt to project the gains by T districts as false or inferior.Sridharnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-80335927459687066672010-03-02T12:32:57.873+05:302010-03-02T12:32:57.873+05:30anon,
have you forgotten to use your own voice an...anon,<br /><br />have you forgotten to use your own voice and mind? ethiopia if it grows at a higher rate, consistently, for fifteen years, it no longer remains ethiopia. that's what happened with china after 1970. that's what happened with s.korea after 1960s. i could go on..and you can't complain about 'discrimination'against telangana, your original argument, if it keeps growing consistently over 15 years. <br /><br />sridhar,<br /><br />'it appears the GDP growth actually seem to be consumption driven with increased income and cash flows from sources in Hyderabad and to some extent due to massive government spending on roads and irrigation projects.'<br /><br />and coastal andhra doesn't get its own share of remittances? <br /><br />jalayagnam started in 2004-05, not in 1884-95. please look at the study i linked to and these figures. consistent performance over 15 years makes it very hard for anyone to prove discrimination. and infrastructure is supposed to drive economic growth--what is the inconsistency that you see there?<br /><br />i've also pointed out in this post and countless other posts over the last few years that distribution of wealth in india is very uneven. <br /><br />lastly, there seem to be many people on either side, who look at telangana from a 1970s outlook.. that needs to change.kuffirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701734913669203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-62546030264037803802010-03-02T06:54:05.296+05:302010-03-02T06:54:05.296+05:30Sridhar,
With capital centric development, isn...Sridhar,<br /><br />With capital centric development, isn't this true for entire AP?. Out of the top five districts with highest GDP, coastal andhra has only one and Telangana has three. As you eluded, the other two districts of T are getting benefited by Hyderabad. This is pretty much the story of entire India. Capital and its vicinities suck all the investment and growth from rest of the state.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12556950685320967501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-60177261429268514912010-03-02T05:37:28.990+05:302010-03-02T05:37:28.990+05:30Anon: The growth rate comparisons as quoted by JP ...Anon: The growth rate comparisons as quoted by JP were meant to drive home the point that Telangana did fare well in terms of rate of development compared to other regions in the state. Comparison between a Karimnagar and Kurnool is not so incongruent as comparing a Ethiopia and US. Hope Sujai and his sycophants understand this simple fact.<br /><br />Kufr: Though the Telangana districts seem to show signs of growth in terms of GDP and also in some human devlp indicators it appears the GDP growth actually seem to be consumption driven with increased income and cash flows from sources in Hyderabad and to some extent due to massive government spending on roads and irrigation projects. Hard to conceive of significant spurt in domestic production activity in the Telangana districts that the govts can actually take credit of.Sridharnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14756769.post-53200438772989418972010-03-02T04:18:18.004+05:302010-03-02T04:18:18.004+05:30oops forgot to mention the url,here it is
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